

In this episode of ND Talk, host Jonathan Starr and guest Charles Hoefer dig into state records that were first obtained by a reporter back in 2023 — but never fully reported on by North Dakota media. For nearly two years, these documents stayed out of the public conversation, raising questions about what was known, who kept it quiet, and why it’s only coming to light now.
This conversation takes you inside the story behind the headlines — and exposes the gaps between what the media knew and what the public was told.